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Post by systemofakorn182 on Jun 7, 2023 6:01:39 GMT
What's board's take on him?
I'm seeing so many comments pop up in tandem with the recent controversy, and it appears that a multitude of people have hated on this dude the entire time. I'm from the same scene, and I haven't had anything bad to say about him.
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Post by 22exitsaway on Jun 8, 2023 16:45:56 GMT
Dude is a work horse damn near on machine levels doing what he does and I respect anyone that pours love in to the scene.
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Post by 2cruelnailz on Jun 8, 2023 19:19:56 GMT
the work he’s done is invaluable. not just documenting new shows, but archiving old footage. i guess now we know he’s been making good money from it, but he did build a brand. a brand that people have been more than willing to pay for, and bands want to be filmed by him from what i can tell. it’s so obvious people were just waiting for the day to talk their shit and that’s why people are even talking about it still.
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Post by systemofakorn182 on Jun 9, 2023 19:36:11 GMT
It looks like people want to spring on him now, but this energy wasn't there over the past 15+ years in which he's been doing this for free. It's ignorant for people to act like he just started doing this yesterday.
I'm wondering what the future is for him, because I feel like this leads to a backlash in which people will start fucking with the camera more, and he'll be showing up less. That's unfair to the people that have enjoyed the TIHC footage over the past few decades.
In spite of everything, he keeps posting his film, and the bands he filmed keep retweeting that footage that he took, while the guys who seem to be hedging the "hurrr...he has the communism thing on his site, but he makes money off his work...hmm" guys keep riffing with right wing media moguls. Sunny wins this one.
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Post by systemofakorn182 on Jun 9, 2023 19:59:01 GMT
Also, it was mentioned that some bands don't like him, and someone bought up the Paint It Black incident where the PIB guy who's also in Ceremony spit on him and blamed him for the NYHC-ification of hardcore over all the states, and man...that's like blaming Tom from Myspace over the entire world becoming a v-necked christcore scene in 2007. I heard no one likes that dude, anyway.
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Post by sickfromthemirror on Jun 12, 2023 20:10:51 GMT
Paint it Black rules idk literally it gets so weird once you find out he's Extremely Likely the HIGHEST paid member of the entire hardcore community, yet no bands that he films even get a small cut of revenue. even weirder when you look at his entire aesthetic being "communist rage against the machine brother im an underdog"
it was also extremely weird how much he pushed that vid of him kicking the girl. i dont at all think she didnt deserve it, but to then make a mockery out of it to the extent that he did... like..
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Post by systemofakorn182 on Jun 13, 2023 8:38:22 GMT
Highest paid...but by whom? All of this comes in from donors, who aren't attached to any specific band. Even if you try to divide it up, the highest viewed bands are already popular groups that are considerably well off (Code Orange, Turnstile, Knocked Loose, the Harms Way TIHC set that was where the meme came from, Title Fight, etc.). I have no idea where to draw the line between which bands benefit from him and which he benefits more from, if any. If you're in a band he's filmed and someone bought a shirt from a place you've never played a show at, you're probably getting paid off of his work.
Sunny is drawing ire in the same way that his idols in Rage Against The Machine did, being a smart, educated guy who works hard and manages to profit because people buy in to what he does, but advocates against the capitalist system that he is able to benefit from. It's kind of up to him where he puts his money, and up to the bands to draw up some kind of agreement. I think he's a Drexel University guy; maybe he's finally getting student loans paid.
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Post by systemofakorn182 on Jun 13, 2023 8:54:48 GMT
For what it's worth, he does get kind of Reddit sometimes and has a bit of an air about himself in making reference to his own drama that can get over the top. No one needs to see a screencap of every racist comment on his Youtube channels, as much as it sucks that there are people like that out there.
I was also wondering if the venues and promoters could assist in getting the bands paid by charging him a rate (not a phenomenal idea since that money doesn't always trickle down), and then I remembered that there was an actual exchange late last year between him and Union Transfer/R5 Productions guy Sean Agnew in which he said he wouldn't film at UT anymore because they charged him for it. I wonder if they knew his channel had come up like that and were trying to get ahead. You can check that out here:
Virtually every commenter seems to favor Sunny in that argument. I wonder if that's changed.
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